13 FEB 2020

The Lionheart’s castle

And talk like an Egyptian

In 1203 Richard the Lionheart’s favourite castle is sieged after his death. Will it survive or will the French find a humorous fatal design flaw? In Anton Investigates he reveals all and also looks at the role of medieval blacksmiths. We also listen to the voice of a 3000 year-old Egyptian mummy thanks to cutting edge research and introduce our first funny phobia – Shuicaophobia!

Full show notes coming soon.


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Welcome to the curiosity of Hey Charles.

This week we are investigating turrets and towers.

Tarts and temple.

Times in temple so always get it wrong. They are listening to an Egyptian mummy and we are exploring our first funny phobia. So what have you been up to since we last recorded?

Well, yesterday I had a football tournament. Went well and that was very fun. Lovely day yesterday as well, yeah.

And you've got a correction that you want to do Ave from a previous episode.

Yeah, that's right. It's that. In episode six we did the Stone Age quiz and one of the questions was were students houses made out of stone and I said no. But curious Granny was actually correct, saying yes, it was soon.

So we've robbed out of a point every.

And insecure don't need much of a different side.

But she still did very well.

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So should you get on with the show?

Only the show.

Anton investigates castles.

OK, so our topic this term at school has been temples. Inter it's interesting, so tempers meaning like temples like monks go and stuff and Castle tour. It's very cool. Also at school we visited Chateau Demarai, more commonly known as Ivy Castle.

So why is it called shattered demaray?

Chateau means Castle Murray means marshland was built on marshy lands.

Okay, so it's a good, defensible position. Then it's hard to approach. What can you tell me about it?

Ivy Castles and Martin Bailey.

So much meaning Mount and Bailey, meaning enclosed area or ditch.

So the motte normally has the keep on it, which is like ohh that's why you keep things in the Castle, so that's on a big Hill. Normally man made an then Baileys. That's like you might have heard of Moz, it's like.

And MC moot.

Okay, yeah, or it could be like an enclosed area, so you'd have at the March would be the key provisions of Fort on top of a Hill and be able looking and include space of land which could have all round it. Or it could have a ditch.

Sometimes include space would be like inside a few Hills, something that would mean that the enemies would get a vantage point over the top the motte.

Yeah, so it was really important in your planning. Cost would finally get position, wasn't it? Yeah, good position to defend it. Could also protect power if the landscape.

By asking you tell me about it.

Ivy Castles built in the early 1200s.

And was guns ES mean defensive structure and used as a refuge from Pirates?

Who won the French I mentioned? Yeah.

So this was until Castle Cornet was built. How much bigger, stronger Castle, which at the time wasn't even properly linked onto the islands?

Yeah, separate islands without outside. Some people are made in town.

That's the best sort of defensive position you can get.

And then I V. Castle that was then later taken over by the Germans and the they built a bunker onto it in World War Two.

Yeah, so obviously they saw some strategic important still there.

Didn't know, unfortunately, that destroyed all the archaeological things.

Yeah, when they're digging their foundations, yeah, see I remember going there when I was about your age with.

Curious bumps and curious Uncle Steve.

Yeah, we are hoping to get him on the podcast too as well one.

Day, yeah, and this is a mooch round it and we were kind of climbing over. There would be down by the water's edge. We would look under logs and peel back bark of the fallen logs and we found some newts, including I think it was greater crested newts as well. It's pretty cool.

I'm sure you fondle offered slice if you are peeling back the bark.

Yeah, lot of cheesy bugs.

Yeah, or granny greys, greys you see what we mean in a later episode.

Right, yeah, yeah so.

Ivy car, so as I went there with you and you also want the school, didn't you? And it's it's quite a small car, so there's not actually that much there now. There's just a few kind of primitive with addiction. The mates left.

Yeah, and there's the. There's like a little dungeon, small definition type building. Then there's the bunker next to a small bunker next to him so it's pretty empty.

Yeah, that's my nature reserve now as well.

At school we have a project to do a day in the life of a person who lives in the Castle. So I chose to blacksmith.

At first I wanted to tonight, but then I realised I always do something about that, so I decided to blacksmith. He was one of the most important people in the Castle, the blacksmith.

If anyone else wanted any tools or nails or anything made for them that have to come to him.

Yeah, so a lot of the other professions kind of relied on him to make the things they used them.

Yeah, their crude blacksmith's because they use black metals like iron. If you used gold or silver it would be cool to white. Smith sells white metals interesting. Here are somethings that made.

So a variety of weapons and instruments made by a mediaeval blacksmith included swords and daggers.

Donelson knobs, locks and keys. Knives, horseshoes, armours and arrowheads. Sometimes he would also make jewellery items as well as torture devices. Another job was to make the tools and instruments used in farming.

So do you think he also designed these torture?


And that must be another thing to have to be commissioned to make. Yeah, I said that my Storey of the man who invented the guillotine Mr Guillotine he hated that is named after him. Is he really didn't like the idea of it being used to kill people? But I think he just wanted to try and find a more Humane way to top of people's heads. But he didn't like the fact that he was associated with it. Mass murder weapon.


Sorry, so it wasn't all glamour then it wasn't Armour and swords like you see in films and games that.

This is very funny. In the when I did my presentation at school, we had like people knock on the door and telling him what they want made for them.

The most common thing was nails. I think there are over 10,000 nails being asked for to make.

But blacksmith, they could only make 1500 hours a week. To be honest, that's quite a few, but it's not that that many.

Yes, pretty Slade here. This work is next after heat up all the metal shape it all just for a tiny thing. And if you think of building a car so when you're trying to do the reef or something you need a lot of words and a lot of nails there. Yeah, I think people appreciate actually just the Labour involved in that.

I know it's amazing.

If you want to make two others had need his own, so I'm just gonna name a few here. Obviously he needed a variety of Hammers, like maybe some smaller Hammers for shaping things. Big sledgehammers just to be sat down tongues to lift up the very well. The boiling metal pretty much yeah, molten metal yeah, and bellows Witcher.

The things you pump air into the fire to keep it going. Keep it going hot.

But they burnt in the fire.

Charcoal yeah yeah they had to reach 900 degrees Celsius.

Properly hot, yes, it must be.

Honey really hard work.

Yeah, so it would be very very hot and very smoochy.

As well, but you can see from that way in lots of say fantasy tales and storeys. There's often a blacksmith he said like big strong character, and sometimes he's he becomes a hero or something because he was so important to the communities there. And because you picture bookmaking swords, other times you imagine being good with one and also at stake here.

It was funny in the presentation we did a little picture of his dream swords. I wish I could make more swords, not more nails, yeah?

Now onto another presentation that they did.

This is one of the most famous mediaeval castles in history and it's called Chateau Gaillard.

Yes, built by Richard the Lionheart. My favourite in Normandy designed to be the ultimate Castle. He said he could even defend it if the rules were made of butter.

Okay, that's pretty high praise with the car, so Andover himself, I think there.

And also.

As it's butter, you wouldn't be able to eat your way through it because it would get a bit.

Yeah, you get cholesterol as well, yeah?

It's all about.

Yeah, so is also built on a high rocky outcrop that could only be approached from One Direction, not the.

Bands not again.

So annoying quickly advance something very common.

It was one of the first castles to use to use Machicolation, which were openings in the rule where rock some boiling oil.

Could be dropped on attackers.

Yeah, so it was lots of advanced defence and things in the Castle, wasn't it?

The walls were up to three metres thick and weigh do tool for ladders to be placed down.

Yeah, there was storeys that when people are trying to take the car so there ladders wouldn't reach the top of the wall. So can I stop there? Then there's away or rocks being thrown at them from above as well as lovely present.

After Richard First died, that Costa was seized by the French King Philip, the second King John. So Richard, the Lions hearts brother wasn't his kid. A fighter, as Richard and failed to protect his brothers favourite Castle when it was staged in 1203.

During the siege, some civilians were allowed to leave, but King Philip was so angry he refused to let anymore through the French lines and they were forced to hide under the Castle walls, surviving on whatever food they had. So dogs bark.

And roots, but we mean cheap bag things.

No bark bark whatever, yeah, but thankfully not each other or not what we've heard. Yeah yeah, with the Castle weakened, the French stormed it.

They did undermining, so that's like digging under the walls to collapse the walls under anyone got hurt when they're doing that when there was just fell on.

Imagine it must happen. Listen just the tunnel was falling in Cavan and you would have people trying to undermine the underminers so they would dig tunnels under the other tunnels. Or exactly yeah.

Didn't have torches.

That's also where like the term, to undermine somebody comes from. Sorry, I know you're saying so they undermined the main tower.

Yeah, the main tower of the outer wall, but they still faced a brutal fight and more defensive walls inside.

But these were quickly defeated when the French soldier named Ralph spotted undefended toilet shoot leading into the Chapel. So that was the Chapel toilets, yes?

Until you find it, maybe had a plop.

Yeah, it's like something smells well. It's going to say something smells fishy here. Something smells pooie here, so the French climbed this and set fire to the Chapel and continued to attack.

Not long later, the Castle fell into enemy hands, and Richards Drew was lost from the Kingdom, and King John obviously had butterfingers.

Should have made the rules of butter then yeah.

This left Normandy open to attack by the French, leading to its eventual defeat and loss.



tame. Yes that would be some of the land controlled by King Richard and.

You could say in the future, like yeah.

But just I guess as they were King of.

England, that was. There's a lot of France actually.

Yes, this is the route into Normandy, but then there's Aquitaine as well as some of their land, so changed, probably on the balance of power in France, and a lot of history. Yeah, cool, that's a pretty exciting Storey then, yeah, although Dodger toilets better, I think Steve Ice.

Now let's get onto the food your sinks.

Phobias, phobias are not scared of you.

Eke sinks

say, do you know what a failure is?

So, so it's like a fear or something.

Yeah, it's an irrational fear or something they or live really extreme aversion to it, so something that you should really be scared of so it could be a place the situation, an animal or person, anything.

Then we thought of this topic when you said whenever you get near the sink in the bathroom, you feel.

A little bit funny or maybe a little bit scared. Yeah dizzy.

I said I don't fear failure of sinks, and it turns out there is and I'm going to try and pronounce it here, and I've practised laser times and now I've forgotten.

Sherika Fabia

I think it's correct, Siri cafe beer.

So this isn't the fabulous shoes, this is the favourites, yes.

So why do you think people might feel scared thinks?

Maybe this is the plug?

There's a whole lap than people might be scared of bath as well, unlike.

Yeah, I was thinking probably the plug as well on how the water is being sucked away and they're scared of the dark holding things might come crawling out of it.

Well, how do you think it could affect them as well having?

A real favourite things.



I guess, yeah, but you can't actually fill anything up though, can you?

You wouldn't fill a tub up to wash your hands coz there's still the sink. Yeah, how would you do that?

Quite tricky to do anything.

Fabius Fabius are now terrified like you eat.

Hey, for our final feature I'm going to talk about Egyptian mummies.

Because Egyptian mummies can talk and then find out how in a minute.

Why aren't the interviewing one then?

Okay, so Egyptian mummies they've long Howard a fascination for people.

From the boy King Tutankhamun, complete with splendid death mask and an ancient cash that struck down those who entered his tomb to the Victorian mummy unwrapping parties, which were mixture of macabre fascination in the latest scientific discovery. But up until now, they've never been allowed to have their own say on such matters. The mummy of Messiaen and Egyptian priest, who died 3000 years ago, have long been at the forefront of mummy studies.

He is the subject of a Mummy unwrapping party in 1824 by members of the Leeds Philosophical and Literary Society and now this group. They involved like surgeons as a chemist there and in 1828 they released their findings and this is the first time that anybody had this. Such a detailed scientific look at Egyptian mummies got a picture here for you to look at, which I put in the show notes as well. I have a mummy unwrapping party.

So you can see there's lots of people gathered round and well dressed ladies, handsome gentleman standing round.

I hope you like wood fences. Yeah yeah yeah.

Yeah, I had to get some friends in my head so I don't think it was required attire. They know they got the money on the table there unwrapped the bandages or whatever it was in and they started to cut open. Explore inside.

At least that isn't as bad as I think it was in Victorian times when they ate a mummy.

Yeah yeah they had the used for medicine things simply.

Now let's wait. 100 years later, the same mummy was X rayed and then further studies continued in the 1960s and the 1990s with more X Rays that you started using endoscopes which are basically like a long tube with a camera lens, you can stick in so many things to have a look and CT scans where they can take images of the brain and things. It was discovered that he was probably in his 50s when he died.

But what do you think is cause of death was?

Probably tripping over and hurting myself.

OK, it's almost as embarrassing, is that?

Okay, on the toilet.

But more embarrassing ohh.

Yeah, almost so.

It could be defending a Castle.

Was he defending your Castle now?

Right at first we thought it might be in strangulation, but I reckon someone that was due to kind of the excitement of having an old ancient Egyptian mummy. They wanted to build that really good Storey around it because it's kind of that romance around. The idea isn't that when it turns out that he was probably stung on his tongue by an insect and died of allergic reaction, say anaphylactic shock.

The annoying

and he was modified with his tongue sticking out his eyes bulging and finally his face was still contorted with like the pain in the drama of death under the ancient Egyptians, attributed his death to a message from their guards with less human being a priest.

Now, despite his tongue being stung, I'm being dead for 3000 years. Less human speaks again. Well, sort of.

Now I'm going to play a sound recording for you here, so listen carefully. Hopefully this will work.

So can you hear that sound? Yeah, it's actually sounds quite annoying.

Well, what do you think made that sound?

I'm like maybe Airscape or something or like.

Something falling out.

OK, So what happened is a team of scientists and engineers have recreated an 3D printed nesamones at vehicle tracked without trying to learn how his voice might have sounded.

Now it doesn't contain it. The soft tissue and muscle, so it doesn't move kind of in the same way as we speak. So think of all the motions and stuff that are going on in your throat, but just give a glimpse of how you might have speaker.

They might be able to recreate the noises that could make, but would they pick up things, accents? Yeah, I don't know if they would now. Professor David Howard, who Co authored the study said.

What we have done is to create the sound of nesamone as he was in his sarcophagus. It is not the sound of his speech as such as he is not actually speaking.

So it's just kinda hint at how his voice might have been, and I think they plan on doing more modelling and computers and also maybe trying to make better models to actually get more of an understanding of how he may have sounded.

Perhaps the Sammy hard was his last crier pain at the insect sting? Or are thousands of years later? His body would be subject to over 200 years of scientific study.


In 1833, French aristocrat and Trappist monk Abbot Ferdinand de Jibrin stated in a letter to Pasha Muhammad Ali that.

It would hardly be respectable and wonder returned from Egypt to present himself without a mummy in one hand, and crocodile in the other.

So if necessary, one could talk today, what do you think he would really say?


I think he would be terrified.

He's been dead for thousands of years, and they dug up his body, unwrapped it and some kind of big.


Exhibition and then continued to xray him, and.

You know how long do people need to be dead before they can be put on display in the study it?

Maybe I'll probably say, why did he wake me up?

Yeah, that's quite comfortable. Thank you very much.

Enjoying the afterlife and had my heart weight.

And I somehow managed to get through.


Yeah, I think some of it is because the ancient Egyptian culture, as it was kind of disappeared, hasn't it?

That doesn't feel like there's a Direct Line of descent between them and us. Now they feel like different people. Yeah, if you go back 100 years and dug up somebody you think that's still my relative, yeah, but it's also pretty interesting. Science, isn't it? Trying to replay their voices?

And that's a wrap on another episode.


Yeah, the Raptor hours Rex yeah.

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